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I hate articles like this - Dan the Serene
November 8th, 2008
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I hate articles like this
That's why I'm posting about it.

Two teens try to rob a 52 year old man of his moped by threatening him with a knife. He's former a former golden gloves boxer and convinces them otherwise. I didn't do a word count, but about half the article is why victims should never do this from the police and a "self-defense teacher" and something about spending resources to improve victim education to make sure they don't fight back.

It isn't a direct quote, but this is still the prize winning line from the journalist, if not the cop:
The University of Minnesota Police Department recommends compliance in situations like these, but that self defense is allowed, Sgt. Erik Stenemann said, even though fighting back can be dangerous. [emphasis added]

Nice of them to allow such things.

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From:rusl
Date:November 8th, 2008 04:57 pm (UTC)
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Two young guys with knifes... They can kill you very easy. Identity is not formed.
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From:smjayman
Date:November 8th, 2008 05:00 pm (UTC)
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I hate articles like that, but I love stories like that. Stupid kids got off easy, if you ask me.
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From:willyumtx
Date:November 8th, 2008 05:18 pm (UTC)
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Seems like there is a hard decision in choosing between fighting/defending and handing over the scooter/running.

Is it worth the fight? What if you get hurt? What if you seriously hurt the muggers? What if both sides get hurt?

Seems that there are many factors to weigh. And it can be hard to do in the heat of the moment.

Here's an interesting story about a mugger. Seems like you have to hit upon just the right set of circumstances.

http://www.zenmoments.org/victim-treats-mugger-right/
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From:willyumtx
Date:November 8th, 2008 05:24 pm (UTC)
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Oh, this also reminded me of what a federal agent at judo class told us one day. He said he would be more comfortable facing a person with a gun than a person with a knife - assuming they are at the same level of training/experience.

During his work training, they practiced against a man who was an expert knife fighter. This guy was able to cross the room and "cut up" the agent (with a marker) before the agent could properly point and "shoot."

I wonder how often one would face an expert knife fighter in a mugging situation though.

And aren't there a lot of instances where in actual shoot outs where most of the shots are wild?
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From:midnightsrain
Date:November 8th, 2008 08:29 pm (UTC)
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I wonder if there would've been a different stance taken if the victim had been a young female with a child/children she was trying to protect against two armed men.


It shouldn't matter. The act of protecting one self and your property should not be punished. There are very few exceptions to this rule, perhaps, but it should not matter.
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From:new_iconoclast
Date:November 9th, 2008 01:13 am (UTC)
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We rare University of Minnesota conservatives used to call that rag the "Doily;" it had the distinction of making the Minneapolis RedStarTribune look almost right-wing. I once wrote a letter to the editor suggesting that student government concentrate on things like available parking on campus rather than disinvesting from South Africa (this wasin the early '80s) and I actually got a couple of death threats.

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